As those who follow the intricacies of federal hiring already know, the Merit Systems Protection Board found that the Federal Career Intern Program (FCIP) violated merit systems principles because positions were not advertised enough to allow veterans to apply, and thus violated veteran’s preference. (For those not familiar with federal hiring, this last sentence will be pure gibberish–but in plain English, this meant that the simplest, easiest way for your typical recent college grad to get a federal job was ended.)
As a career services person working with many students interested in federal jobs, the FCIP program was one of the best ways for my students to get federal jobs. In fact, in my three years working in career services for a Master of Public Administration program, I can’t think of a single student who landed a federal job through the “competitive hiring” process on USAJobs, which is the way everyone directs people to apply. Each and every student who landed a federal job got one via FCIP, PMF, SCEP to full time conversion, or a special fellowship program.
Why? Because hardly any students were willing or able to rewrite their entire resume to fit the federal format, to write endless knowledge, skills and abilities essays, or to answer up to 100 multiple choice questions, on top of trying to decipher the legalese of the postings, faxing or mailing in transcripts, etc. And even when they did apply–and many of them did apply via USAJobs, over and over–they never heard back, and they never were hired because almost none of them were veterans or had enough work experience to be found “best qualified.”
Anyway, the Obama Administration just announced a new Executive Order which replaces FCIP with a Recent Graduates Program (which is a good renaming, because no one ever understood that an “intern” program was actually a full-time, post-graduate, 2 year job), and replaces the Student Career Experience Program (SCEP) with an Internship Program (which is a good thing, because no one ever understood what SCEP was).
I am trying to be optimistic that these new (or at least re-named) programs will be open to graduate students and not just undergrads. There has actually been somewhat of a lobbying effort conducted by the leaders of the National Association of Schools of Public Affairs and Administration to ensure that the new Pathways to federal hiring will be open to graduate students. I hope they succeed. Otherwise, MPA and other graduate students will be stuck with the competitive hiring process, which almost never works for them, internship-to-full time conversion, which is a rare thing (especially in areas of the country where students can’t always work in an internship and accrue the 640 hours required) and the Presidential Management Fellowship, which has a somewhat inscrutable hiring process and leaves a lot of talented and dedicated students unselected.
I have to believe that the Internship Program and the similar Recent Graduates Program will include those enrolled and recently graduated from graduate school programs, but wishful thinking and confirmation are often two different things. Thank you for pointing out this potential issue, Heather.
This was my main concern as well, and I plan to follow the implementation very closely. I am completing my MPP in May and since I’ve already fallen out of PMF I worry that I am going to fall in a gap. The language of the Order does not clearly state what degree you can recently graduate with in order to be eligible, but I too hope that they mean graduate students too. On the optimistic side, if graduate students are included the two-year window may be long enough for those of us unlucky enough to be graduating during this potential federal hiring freeze.
Lots to wait and see about I guess, but that’s for bringing up a concern I think many of us have.
I hope it works out too. There’s nothing worse than never getting a change to prove yourself which is what happens to a lot of post grads.
I agree – big fan of FCIP but I understand that it was often misused. I hope the new programs are still attractive and easy to use enough to get great talent into agencies quickly.
Can anyone tell me what will happen to me, a Contract Specialist Intern? I was hired into a two year internship program last July, as a regular, full-time employee. I started out as a GS-7 and was promised non-competitive promotion to GS-9 after first year, then GS-11 after the second. At that point I was to be converted to career conditional and no longer an intern (basically, off probation). With the current EO doing away with internship programs, how will my pay and status be affected? Thanks!
You should be fine. No affect is my guess. It’s more about dealing with other future interns….
I just got off the phone with the Partnership for Public Service, which is pretty tuned in to these things. They said that because FCIP is abolished as of March 2011, anyone currently in an FCIP position will no longer be an FCIP but the agencies will have the option of hiring you on full-time. Meaning, the conversion to permanent has to happen in March, rather than when your 2 years would have been up. There’s a chance agencies will choose not to convert, but it seems that if you’ve done a good job you should get converted. I’d talk to your HR folks about it, though.
Heather, any comment on the Recent Graduates program including opportunities for Graduate students? Thanks!
I wonder whether the agencies which choose not to convert will convert their FCIP interns to Internship Program interns and new grads to Recent Graduates Program hires. Of course, the regulations aren’t out yet so it may not even be possible for agencies to make this type of conversion. It seems likely they’ll be able to convert, however, because the whole point of this legislation is to make it easier for agencies to hire interns and new grads.
If you look at the Executive order, Section 8 it says
Sec. 8. Prior Executive Orders. (a) Effective March 1, 2011, Executive Order 13162 (Federal Career Intern Program) is superseded and revoked. Any individuals serving in appointments under that order on March 1, 2011, shall be converted to the competitive service, effective on that date, with no loss of pay or benefits.
In laymans speak, you will be automatically converted. If you have more than 1 years of experience in FCIP, you will be a full career person with all the rights. If you have less than 1 year in FCIP, you will be converted to career conditional which like all traditional career jobs have a 1 year trial period before you become fully career vested.
I wanted to share an upcoming webinar I found from the Partnership for Public Service discussing Federal hiring and the new Pathway Programs…
Extra! Extra! Learn all about it! The Current State of Government Hiring
Thursday, January 20 at 12:00 pm
Federal hiring is frequently in the news. Come hear the latest information on federal pay, the new pathways programs, and the state of hiring reform for the federal government. This webinar will allow you to give your students the latest tips and information on landing a federal job. Sign-up here!
There are others on the following site that will address these programs from a number of angles in the coming months…
http://www.ourpublicservice.org/OPS/programs/calltoserve/events/index.shtml
Here is some guidance from OPM:
http://www.chcoc.gov/Transmittals/TransmittalDetails.aspx?TransmittalID=3418
it does not address my biggest concern – As an FCIP, how will my pay/grade increase be affected? I was due for a grade increase in July, will I miss out and be stuck at my current grade? I have yet to see any guidance on this issue.
My questions/comments are in response to:
Comment by Heather Krasna, MS on January 4, 2011 at 5:34pm (pasted immediately below my text)
Hello Heather,
Would you please clarify what you meant by, “ the conversion to permanent has to happen in March, rather than when your 2 years would have been up.”
I’am seven months into the former FCIP internship, I was converted from excepted service to competitive service on March 1, 2011. But, since I only have seven months of Federal service, and not a full year, don’t I have to finish my full year of service before I am cosidered off probation, and a permanent Federal employee (not referring to career, since I know that is three years)?
I guess, where I getting hung up is on the word “permanent.” Because, the way I interpret your sentence in bold above, you are saying that I will be converted to a permanent status (off probation) this month (March 2011), prior to having completed my two years, but also, even before I’ve completed my first full year. Correct?, or incorrect?
If I am correctly interpreting your statement, can you tell me if this has been confirmed by your sources or OPM, that it will happen, or must happen this month?
Please forgive me for my ignorance, but being new to Federal service, along with the timing of the program changes, has created a lot of confusion for myself and countless others.
Many thanks in advance :o)
Comment by Heather Krasna, MS on January 4, 2011 at 5:34pm