Sweet Gov Conference Tweets – Participation Camp (#pcamp09) Part 2

Participation Camp Twitter Stream:

June 27, 2009 (continued)

4:00 pm Silona: If you are transparent about your strategy you can build the right kind of community to police itself! #pcamp09 remind me of talks w @jwales
4:00 pm sdohrn: RT @counti8: I feel @markelliott’s pain re: talking about strategy before talking about the tech with those fixated on the shiny. #pcamp09
4:01 pm counti8: Curious about any mobilization popular support for conservative behaviours in the wikified Melbourne City planning process. #pcamp09
4:02 pm poplifegirl: If you are transparent about your strategy you can build the right kind of community to police itself! #pcamp09 remind me of talks w @jwales
4:02 pm brimer: Great seminars + discussion today at @participation09 by @collabforge/@markelliott, @counti8 and others. #pcamp09
4:02 pm mferola: wondering what real-world problems in municipal, state, and federal govts could be used as pilot project for citizen collaboration. #pcamp09
4:02 pm sdohrn: Mark: as ‘composer’ of collaboration I do not try to get too much involved in the outcome #PCamp09
4:03 pm DavidStephenson: RT @Silona If U R transparent about your strategy U can build right kind of community 2 police itself! #pcamp09 remind me of talks w @jwales
4:04 pm chr15_eat0n: #pcamp09 @markelliot: when composing, facilitating collaboration should not try to effect outcome too much
4:05 pm seeclickfix: #pcamp09 Seeclickfix showed up late to check in on the apps for demcracy code jam. Check out DC.Seeclickfix.com
4:13 pm nwjerseyliz: Okay, I’ve had my intellectual stimulation at #pcamp09. That’s my break for the weekend. Back to work!
4:16 pm sdohrn: Getting ready for @democracy presentation at #PCamp09 on online neighborhoods
4:17 pm Participation09: @democracy talking about neighborhood level e-participation right now! http://participationcamp.org #pcamp09
4:17 pm sdohrn: Join us virtually at http://mudball.com/pcamp to listen to Steven Clift #pcamp09
4:18 pm MarkElliott: @craignewmark Hey! Was hoping to chat more after Gale’s talk, but had to run off to give my own. You going to b round at #pcamp09 at finish?
4:20 pm sdohrn: Are you part of a hyper-local online community? #PCamp09
4:20 pm Participation09: #pcamp09 are you part of any hyperlocal social networks/online groups for your neighborhood? tell us here
4:20 pm AndrewPWilson: RT @poplifegirl: If you are transparent about your strategy you can build the right kind of community to police itself! #pcamp09
4:20 pm liz_azyan: Now w Steven Clift talking abt neighbourhoods.check his website out at http://e-democracy.org #pcamp09 n join us onilne http://is.gd/1ghVI
4:21 pm sureshf: RT @sdohrn Join us virtually at http://mudball.com/pcamp to listen to Steven Clift #pcamp09
4:21 pm MarkElliott: @sureshf @sdohrn the first challenge with dev a collaborative global plan would be setting scope. Any thoughts? #pcamp09
4:21 pm liz_azyan: This is the website I talked abt in the UK http://www.harringayonline.com / Check it out. Very cool! #pcamp09
4:23 pm liz_azyan: Another example frm the UK for hyperlocal websites http://is.gd/1gi3L Kings Cross Local Environment #pcamp09
4:24 pm MarkElliott: Steven Clift – @democracy – founder of http://e-democracy.org talking now at #pcamp09
4:24 pm liz_azyan: Oh my gosh, http://rottenneighbor.com … lol =) This is where you complain abt your neighbour #pcamp09
4:25 pm liz_azyan: Another neighbourhood website from steven clift http://frontporchforum.com at #pcamp09
4:25 pm sdohrn: RT @liz_azyan: Oh my gosh, http://rottenneighbor.com … lol =) This is where you complain abt your neighbour #pcamp09
4:26 pm liz_azyan: http://Neighborlogs.com is apart of the citizen journalism movement. #pcamp09
4:27 pm sureshf: How do you use web 2.0 tools etc. to build community at neighbourhood level? Talk given by @democracy at #pcamp09
4:28 pm liz_azyan: I love freecycle.org! I still use it!!!! How about the swap shop… swap ur clothes! #pcamp09
4:28 pm counti8: @democracy asks for examples of online neighbourly connection. top of head: @10thtothefraser, placeblogger, freshdaily sites in .ca #pcamp09
4:28 pm catherine_white: looking forward to another great day at #pcamp09 tomorrow – including @berkmancenter ‘s @timhwang
4:28 pm sdohrn: Steve: Email list are very effective, but are being used less. FB groups etc are In and more shiny nut as effective? #PCamp09
4:28 pm counti8: Also, I wish I knew more about #changeengine from #changecamp in Toronto, think it would be a great example too. #pcamp09
4:29 pm MarkElliott: In my presentation i referenced my phd a lot. It’s here http://is.gd/1gijb if you are interested: “Stigmergic Collaboration” #pcamp09
4:29 pm liz_azyan: Specific eg. neighborsforneighbors.org … similar to harringayonline.com in the UK (founder @hughflouch) #pcamp09
4:31 pm liz_azyan: Local news website http://www.topix.net #pcamp09
4:31 pm MarkElliott: Here’s a summary article on the core idea of stigmergic collaboration http://is.gd/1ginZ #pcamp09
4:31 pm sdohrn: RT @MarkElliott: In my pres I referred to my phd. It’s here http://is.gd/1gijb “Stigmergic Collaboration” #pcamp09
4:32 pm Participation09: @democracy – online newspaper comments = “drive-by posting”. no persistent community. #pcamp09
4:32 pm sureshf: RT @ MarkElliott: PhD – referenced in pres – http://is.gd/1gijb (expand) if you are interested: “Stigmergic Collaboration” #pcamp09
4:32 pm includeall: RT @sureshf: RT @sdohrn Join us virtually at http://mudball.com/pcamp to listen to Steven Clift #pcamp09
4:32 pm chr15_eat0n: Stephen Clift, @democracy -social media isn’t just bout connecting with your friends but with your block! #pcamp09
4:33 pm Participation09: psyched seeclickfix guys could make it (they got a parking ticket in the process 😛 ) #pcamp09
4:35 pm sureshf: RT @ Participation09: @democracy – online newspaper comments = “drive-by posting”. no persistent community. #pcamp09
4:35 pm liz_azyan: Alot of praise of http://fixmystreet.com here in the US! Well done mysociety.org! Am very proud!!! #pcamp09
4:35 pm mferola: one constant that appears in discussions citizen participation is determining what has veracity. What is noise and what is signal? #pcamp09
4:36 pm counti8: seeclickfix folks, me, @sureshf and @greensandbox complete the #pcamp09 – #vanchangecamp #vcc09 integration! the world is tiny!
4:36 pm sdohrn: check out http://blog.e-democracy.org/posts/187 for resources on online neighborhood communities #PCamp09
4:37 pm liz_azyan: Another cool neighbourhood website http://www.everyblock.com #pcamp09 A news feed for your block
4:38 pm MarkElliott: @counti8 would be interested to hear more of your thoughts on collaboration in unconferences (as potentially a collab framework?) #pcamp09
4:38 pm sureshf: Important to sustain dialogue – this was genesis of http://edemocracy.com/html/main.isx as per @democracy from #pcamp09
4:39 pm liz_azyan: RT sdohrn: check out http://blog.e-democracy.org/posts/187 for resources on online neighborhood communities #PCamp09
4:39 pm sureshf: RT @ MarkElliott: @counti8 interested to hear thoughts on collaboration in unconferences (as potentially a collab framework?) #pcamp09
4:40 pm sdohrn: RT @sureshf: Important to sustain dialogue – this was genesis of http://edemocracy.com/html/main.isx as per @democracy from #pcamp09
4:40 pm LizIxer: RT @liz_azyan This is the website I talked abt in the UK http://www.harringayonline.com / Check it out. Very cool! #pcamp09 [thank you Liz]
4:43 pm mferola: how do laws against libel and slander, due process, hate crimes, etc. get enforced on social media and web? #pcamp09
4:43 pm regisbarondeau: RT @MarkElliott: Here’s a summary article on the core idea of stigmergic collaboration http://is.gd/1ginZ #pcamp09
4:43 pm Participation09: @democracy – must mix in traditional outreach like flyers in order to get adoption #pcamp09
4:43 pm liz_azyan: @LizIxer My pleasure Liz! @hughflouch n urself have done such a good job maintaining it! 🙂 #pcamp09
4:44 pm liz_azyan: Social media in public life. Gr8 resource for local stuff! http://is.gd/1giU9 #pcamp09
4:45 pm sureshf: See http://stevenclift.com/ for more info on @democracy – speaking at http://mudball.net/pcamp09/, #pcamp09
4:45 pm sdohrn: Steve: evaluate all tools to create community. do not go with latest and newest and assume everyone is using that #PCamp09
4:46 pm PrivacyNZ: RT @mferola how do laws against libel and slander, due process, hate crimes, etc. get enforced on social media and web? #pcamp09
4:46 pm sdohrn: RT @liz_azyan: Social media in public life. Gr8 resource for local stuff! http://is.gd/1giU9 #pcamp09
4:47 pm liz_azyan: “Is not what your email, its who reads your email” – Steve Clift. So true! #pcamp09
4:47 pm sureshf: Social Media in public life: http://bit.ly/3pdK5 @democracy, http://mudball.net/pcamp09, #pcamp09
4:48 pm sdohrn: Steve: secondary networks are key to spread the message and get people involved #PCamp09 – how do issues ripple through the community?
4:48 pm liz_azyan: Issues forum – “its not just abt the numbers, its abt how and what happens there..the ripples in the communities” #pcamp09
4:49 pm counti8: So glad to have connected with *so many* planning and neighbourhood/community minded peeps here! I am in awe. #pcamp09
4:51 pm liz_azyan: RT @sdohrn: Steve: secondary networks r key to spread the message and get ppl involved #PCamp09 -how do issues ripple through the community?
4:53 pm counti8: Mayor RT Rybak on his online forum participation in Minneapolis: “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.” Super-interesting. #pcamp09
4:54 pm chr15_eat0n: thanks #pcamp09 -u were awesome!
4:56 pm sdohrn: @chr15_eat0n join us again tomorrow at #PCamp09
4:57 pm liz_azyan: Love it! ONLINE COURAGE “What doesn’t kill u makes u stronger….” Mayor RT Rybak on his participation in the online issues forum #pcamp09
4:58 pm sdohrn: Leveraging existing social capital is one thing. How so we create new social capital to improve neighborhoods? #PCamp09
4:58 pm mferola: is thinking if the Nazis or Soviets had the power of Internet social networks the outcome may have been more catastrophic. #pcamp09
4:58 pm Participation09: RT @chr15_eat0n thanks #pcamp09 -u were awesome!
4:59 pm counti8: This is a mental note to bring up YouMap Vancouver at @democracy’s session. Bug me if I don’t. #pcamp09
5:01 pm PBSIdeaLab: democracy: That took 20 seconds. #pcamp09: democracy: That took 20 seconds. #pcamp09
5:01 pm liz_azyan: Who’s going to be here at #pcamp09 tomorrow?
5:01 pm sdohrn: Corrected: Talking with @markelliott and @mattcoop through twitter sitting in the same room. interestingly weird #PCamp09
5:02 pm gitis: Looks like lots of folks are running tweetdeck here at #pcamp09
5:03 pm liz_azyan: RT @sdohrn: Corrected: Talking with @markelliott and @mattcoop thru twitter sitting in the same room. interestingly weird #PCamp09 LOL! 😀
5:04 pm sureshf: RT @sdohrnLeveraging existing social capital is one thing. How so we create new social capital to improve neighborhoods? #PCamp09
5:04 pm MarkElliott: @sdohrn @mattcoop this is Vinge’s ‘silent messaging’ from Rainbows End, which is great. @collabforge uses this in client meetings #pcamp09
5:04 pm tabsonobama: Our #PCamp09 presentation slides: http://bit.ly/tabsonobama
5:05 pm sureshf: RT @sdohrn Leveraging existing social capital is one thing. How so we create new social capital to improve neighborhoods? #PCamp09
5:06 pm sdohrn: Steve invites all to join dowire.org – democracies online #PCamp09
5:06 pm liz_azyan: Interested in open gov? http://dowire.org #pcamp09
5:07 pm mferola: @sureshf There is the issue of the digital haves and have-nots to consider as well. There is some complexity here. ?? #pcamp09
5:07 pm counti8: @democracy – PDF of YouMap Vancouver’s final report – community festivals for citizen knowledge creation. http://bit.ly/youmapyvr #pcamp09
5:07 pm liz_azyan: @sdohrn LOL, Nice to meet you! Whereabouts r u sitting? #pcamp09
5:07 pm MarkElliott: @democracy: Leveraging existing social capital is one thing. How do we create new social capital to improve neighborhoods? #PCamp09
5:08 pm MarkElliott: Where’s a good bar to meet after #pcamp09 ???????
5:08 pm MarkElliott: Apple bar is apparently the place to meet after #pcamp09
5:09 pm sdohrn: #PCamp09 participants will be at Apple Bar later tonight
5:13 pm mferola: is showing some love for the people of #pcamp09 for taking time out of their weekend to serve the common good. <3 #pcamp09
5:15 pm govwiki: democracy: Participation Camp is webcastng live right now: http://mudball.net/pcamp09 #pcamp09 #pdf09 #socialmed.. http://tinyurl.com/nnt46y
5:20 pm jtshelton: feeling enthused after a day of following #pcamp09 and #thatcamp on Twitter simultaneously
5:21 pm lcarroli: Just connected to Participation Camp 09 webcast: http://mudball.net/pcamp09 #pcamp09
5:23 pm patelc75: Great day at #PCamp09. Thanks @mattcoop http://twitpic.com/8m4rd
5:24 pm anthias1: #pcamp09 lots of talk about open source at dc311. Maybe #seeclckfix should be open source on death? @timoreilly @craignumark
5:27 pm seeclickfix: good question @sdohrn leveraging existing social capital is one thing-how do we create new social capital to improve neighborhoods? #PCamp09
5:41 pm craignewmark: @MarkElliott will be back at #pcamp09 tomorrow midday. after, must see a little family.
5:43 pm seeclickfix: @danlatorre seeclickfix provides open data. create your own XML, RSS, GeoRSS, JSON,or KML feed. Draft API http://bit.ly/1atqnz #pcamp09
5:50 pm emjacobi: RT @danlatorre: A good definition of Open Gov? Should include value of Unvrsl Declaration of Human Rights Art.19 http://tr.im/pZ1x #pcamp09
5:57 pm emjacobi: RT @chr15_eat0n: Stephen Clift, @democracy -social media isn’t just bout connecting with your friends but with your block! #pcamp09
6:31 pm shiftspace: Tomorrow 3pm #PCamp09 @ShiftSpace discussion on citizens/ government interfaces, highlighting some of our own work http://bit.ly/aMxs6
6:31 pm mushon: Tomorrow 3pm #PCamp09 @ShiftSpace discussion on citizens/ government interfaces, highlighting some of our own work http://bit.ly/aMxs6
7:10 pm seeclickfix: RT @anthias1: #pcamp09 lots of talk about open source at dc311. Maybe #seeclickfix should be open source on death?
8:39 pm patelc75: @bekamop so you were virtual the whole time at #PCamp09 , I was wondering where you were at
9:11 pm katykat: Back on deck, but must prioritise writing. Deadline looms. Should not have stayed up until 2am following #PCamp09
9:56 pm annejonas: didn’t make it to #pcamp09 today, but hopefully tomorrow!
10:07 pm Gauravonomics: @wmburke I’m glad you liked our digital activism talk. @xiana_aretta You were great at Pecha Kucha. #pcamp09
10:13 pm Gauravonomics: @naa_nyc I’m glad you liked our digital activism talk. I’m in India, but do catch up with @mary_joyce in NYC. #pcamp09
10:48 pm epreposi: ran into someone from SLC at NYU @ ITP today. speaking of ITP, head over to participation camp tomorrow! #pcamp09
11:10 pm jgilliam: #pcamp09 was extraordinarily productive today. watch out congress, it’s gonna be the people’s house soon.
11:57 pm weinberg81: On train to NY for #pcamp09. Excited to see results of @openamplify sprint.

June 28, 2009

12:21 am octolabs: had great reception for #dcgov #circulator buses real time GPS tracking app at #pcamp09 http://bit.ly/1qvI9j @timoreilly @craignewmark
12:23 am adrielhampton: RT @octolabs: had great reception for #dcgov #circulator buses real time GPS tracking app at #pcamp09 http://bit.ly/1qvI9j
12:33 am wmburke: At #pcamp09 today I realized, “Holy crap! This is going to happen!” We’re going to connect Congress and citizens, Thx @jgilliam @corbett3000
12:37 am sureshf: RT @At #pcamp09 I realized, “Holy crap! This is going to happen!” We’re going to connect Congress and citizens, Thx @jgilliam @corbett3000
4:46 am nerdette: Hoping there will be cool things made out of pingpong balls at #pcamp09 (also hoping that’s the right hash)
5:38 am DavidStephenson: Wish I wuz @ #pcamp09: open 311 (huge development!) coding sprint: http://melkjug.org/open311/activity (real democratizing data landmark)
5:48 am liz_azyan: @dominiccampbell Are you in NYC yet?? Wanna meet up somewhere in this big city today? I’ll be at NYU for #pcamp09 today
7:31 am dasharp: Still time for you to get involved in person or virtually at ParticipationCamp’09 which ends today: http://bit.ly/P5k36 #pcamp09
7:32 am Collabforge: Still time for you to get involved in person or virtually at ParticipationCamp’09 which ends today: http://bit.ly/P5k36 #pcamp09
7:43 am sdohrn: RT @dasharp: Still time to get involved in person or virtually at ParticipationCamp’09: http://bit.ly/P5k36 #pcamp09
7:51 am laputean: Interesting! RT @sdohrn Still time to get involved in person or virtually at ParticipationCamp’09: http://bit.ly/P5k36 #pcamp09
7:51 am sdohrn: RT @corbett3000: It’s entirely possible that I had a conversation a #pcamp09 today that pushed me over the line to run for congress in 2010.
7:55 am regisbarondeau: Watching ParticipationCamp’09 – http://bit.ly/P5k36 #pcamp09 – (via @Collabforge)
8:14 am democracy: I have a big idea coding project for #pcamp09 that can be implemented in hours and spread the e-participation movement across the world
8:17 am dansmind86: Can’t wait for #pcamp09 in a few minutes! I work with Sun Foundation on high school online gov literacy contest: http://bit.ly/7GRvv
8:24 am nickgrossman: @MarkElliot: sorry to miss you this week at #pcamp09. When are you next in NYC?
8:25 am sdohrn: RT @democracy: Big idea coding project for #pcamp09 can be implemented in hours and spread the e-participation movement across the world
8:26 am weinberg81: In a cab on the way to #pcamp09
8:56 am openamplify: Welcome to #PCamp09… day 2. @openamplify sprint day ahead. Seen the community yet? http://community.openamplify.com
9:06 am annejonas: #pcamp09 or picnic? these are the hard decisions in my life.
9:06 am openamplify: @democracy Cool ideas about community content management & hyper local blog tools. C if we can help: http://tinyurl.com/n68f3f #pcamp09
9:08 am openamplify: Join me and others today from around the world – virtually – at Participation Camp. http://bit.ly/oAqM2 #pcamp09
9:08 am Mary_Joyce: great talks at #pcamp09 by @democracy (geo-specific communities), Karen Fung (barcamp best practices), and Mark Elliott (designing collabo)
9:08 am weinberg81: Join me and others today from around the world – virtually – at Participation Camp. http://bit.ly/oAqM2 #pcamp09
9:24 am weinberg81: @corbett3000 Guess we passed each other silently in the night 🙂 I’m at #PCamp09 today.
9:26 am weinberg81: @NoahWolfe Thanks, 3hrs! Sweet. I luv that my late night was made even later by a delayed train… BUT, NYU ITP facility is cool. #pcamp09
9:30 am Participation09: getting set up for day 2 #pcamp09
10:01 am epastore: I’ll be speaking (virtually) at #PCamp09 in half an hour. See it live on http://www.livestream.com/pcamp
10:01 am MarietjeD66: Had a great time at #pcamp09 yesterday and looking forward to Personal Democracy Forum tomorrow, off into NYC now!
10:02 am epastore: I’ll be speaking (virtually) at #PCamp09 in half an hour. See it live on http://tr.im/pRCx
10:09 am democracy: Here is my rough code it today idea http://bit.ly/yZnNN #pcamp09
10:12 am mferola: can we talk about the failure of citizen and govt collaboration with Hurricane Katrina? How to avoid repeat? #pcamp09
10:21 am tglaisyer: from Penn State #cct2209 to #pcamp09 http://is.gd/1h3qZ NYU http://is.gd/1h3sp chatting with @rgoodspeed a soon to be fellow grad student
10:30 am PBSIdeaLab: democracy: Here is my rough code it today idea http://bit.ly/yZnNN #pcamp09: democracy: Here is my rough code it today idea http://bit.l..
10:33 am mferola: is amused that the video coming from #pcamp09 reminds me of the empty US House chamber on C-SPAN.
10:35 am sdohrn: Ed Pastor presenting on Meta-government project: how can direct democracy made practical #Pcamp09
10:36 am sdohrn: Ed: Representative democracy does not work; better than what has been tired – let’s try something new! #PCamp09
10:37 am openamplify: Sitting in and participating in discussion around tools to evaluate and improve citizen involvement. #pcamp09
10:38 am sureshf: RT @sdohrn: Ed: Representative democracy does not work; – let’s try something new! #PCamp09 http://www.livestream.com/pcamp
10:40 am rgoodspeed: Following #pcamp09 from Boston? Check out Data Day on gov data- Agenda: http://bit.ly/wMLY9 Register: http://bit.ly/rJG0c #dataday09 #gov20
10:40 am sdohrn: Ed: too little control between elections. are the reps the best people? always? #PCamp09
10:41 am mferola: listening to a presentation discussing representative versus direct democracy. #pcamp09
10:41 am sdohrn: #PCamp09 like yesterday, feel free to tweet me with comments or questions – http://mudball.com/pcamp
10:45 am govwiki: Following #pcamp09 from Boston? Check out Data Day on gov data- Agenda: http://bit.ly/wMLY9 Register: http://bit.. http://tinyurl.com/lcnk9y
10:45 am 5oclockshadow: #PCamp09 sess w/ MixedInk founders on #OGD… crowdsrcd particip. Cool fact – 5-star rating w/half stars prefered to 10-star- ebay does same
10:47 am includeall: Participation Camp 09 continues. Participate at http://mudball.com/pcamp #pcamp09
10:50 am sureshf: Ed Pastore talking about MetaScore for consensus based participative democracy right now! http://www.livestream.com/pcamp, #pcamp09
10:50 am tglaisyer: This is worth contributing to and really easy to do http://bit.ly/KkMeT (Demo here http://bit.ly/Q7Tau explains it all #pcamp09 #cct2009
10:53 am includeall: Ed: principle of metagovernment is openness in everything #PCamp09
10:54 am openamplify: Idea for live sentiment based twitter conversation tool, show who important in a stream and who is most positive or negative.#pcamp09
10:56 am includeall: Ed: open governance model goes into code through distributed models #PCamp09 my question: how do non-techys control the programmers?
10:58 am sdohrn: Meta-government works through group scores – sounds like nomic. still playing anyone? http://mudball.net/nomic/ #PCamp09
10:58 am rgoodspeed: After thousands have sent in ideas, only 175 people have helped draft recommendations for Obama open gov! http://bit.ly/KkMeT #pcamp09
10:58 am sdohrn: Ed: open governance model goes into code through distributed models #PCamp09 my question: how do non-techys control the programmers?
11:01 am sureshf: RT @openamplify: Idea for live sentiment based twitter conversation tool, show who important in stream..most positive or negative.#pcamp09
11:04 am tropology: Listening to Ed Pastore expound on making direct democracy work – on #PCamp09
11:05 am jerrymichalski: @tropology how does he define direct democracy? aren’t most ppl afraid if it, whatever it is? #PCamp09
11:05 am openamplify: RT @5oclockshadow: At Participation Camp: Tish school NYU – perfect venue. Mixed Ink, OpenAmplify, Public Governance as a Game. #pcamp09
11:12 am tropology: @jerrymichalski not a succinct answer, but here’s the project – http://metagovernment.org/ – esp. “MetaScore” project #pcamp09
11:13 am mferola: Ed Pastore suggests that an increase in direct democracy is possible with technology metagovernment.org #pcamp09
11:17 am sdohrn: Discussion around direct democracy – what is the resistance of the policy community? #PCamp09
11:19 am sdohrn: @jstrats interested in participation and collaboration? you should tune into #PCamp09 – http://participationcamp.org/
11:21 am sdohrn: Ed: not fighting political establishment but ignoring the representative system in favor of building a more direct one #PCamp09
11:23 am sureshf: RT @mferola: Ed Pastore suggests that an increase in direct democracy is possible with technology metagovernment.org #pcamp09
11:23 am mferola: wishes that #pcamp09 would address real-world, relevant problems that need immediate treatment. How to generate appeal beyond geeks?
11:25 am 5oclockshadow: #PCamp09 questions for #ogov Phase 3-is open gov discsn approp to all of topics and policies? Is persistent ID as valid as unique ID?#gov20
11:26 am sdohrn: #PCamp09 had over 2000 unique virtual viewers yesterday on www.livestream.com/pcamp!!!! Thanks all!
11:26 am HGaertner: #pcamp09 VIRTUAL STATISTICS: WE HAVE HAD 2068 UNIQUE VISITORS TO LIVESTREAM. THE PEAK AT A GIVEN MOMENT WAS 74!
11:28 am hnauheimer: RT @sdohrn: #PCamp09 had over 2000 unique virtual viewers yesterday on www.livestream.com/pcamp!!!! Thanks all!
11:30 am noneck: @ #pcamp09 w/ a convo about a digital redcross (@ NYU ITP in NYC) http://bit.ly/wjXGy
11:31 am jerrymichalski: @tropology interesting, thanks! so they’re equating direct democracy with open source governance, kinda #pcamp09
11:32 am Silona: #geekcrush #Pcamp09 is @markElliott his work on collabforge is VERY close to the concepts behind c-wiki and roberts rules of order wiki
11:35 am sureshf: Statistics on virtual PCamp orgnized by http://radical-inclusion.com/: 2068 unique visitors to: http://www.livestream.com/p, #pcamp09
11:38 am mferola: thinks “noisy idiot” is a confrontational term begging for a response. #pcamp09
11:39 am includeall: RT @HGaertner: #pcamp09 VIRTUAL STATISTICS: WE HAVE HAD 2068 UNIQUE VISITORS TO LIVESTREAM. THE PEAK AT A GIVEN MOMENT WAS 74!
11:44 am sureshf: Presentation by Tim Hwang -Cooperation Project -Harvard?s Berkman Center for Internet and Society. http://www.livestream.com/pcamp. #pcamp09
11:45 am govwiki: #PCamp09 questions for #ogov Phase 3-is open gov discsn approp to all of topics and policies? Is persistent ID a.. http://tinyurl.com/muwofr
11:47 am noneck: no one goes against tim hwong (@timhwong). NO ONE! #pcamp09 http://twitpic.com/8oink
11:48 am sdohrn: Tim Hwang presenting on the cooperation project #PCamp09
11:50 am Silona: i need to stop follow #pcamp09 on my ltweetdeck and get my bootie to it in person!
11:50 am sdohrn: Tim: How do we get internet game players to participate in government? #PCamp09
11:51 am sureshf: Tim Hwang talks about his involvement with http://webecologyproject.org/ right now via http://www.livestream.com/pcamp, #pcamp09
11:52 am sdohrn: Check out http://www.gamesforchange.org/ #PCamp09
11:52 am retwitd: [1 retweets] #pcamp09 VIRTUAL STATISTICS: WE HAVE HAD 2068 UNIQUE VISITORS TO LIVESTREAM. THE PEAK AT A GIVEN MO.. http://tinyurl.com/lshlgf
11:55 am tropology: I’d like to see cross fertilization between the metascore project and the #metacurrency project #pcamp09
11:56 am mferola: remains cynical about increasing citizen participation because the “Alpha” personalities remain dominant even with technology. #pcamp09
11:57 am sdohrn: Ever played chore wars against your laundry? #PCamp09
11:59 am sdohrn: Tim: Games create incentive structure that shape real life behavior #PCamp09
12:00 pm sureshf: RT @ sdohrn: Ever played chore wars against your laundry? #PCamp09. Tim Hwang talks about virtual games: http://www.livestream.com/pcamp
12:01 pm sdohrn: Tim: One attempt was Fantasy Congress #PCamp09 got defunct because did not engage with gaming communities
12:03 pm mferola: wonders how to infuse the #pcamp09 discussions with folksy, real-world narratives. Katrina? Economy? Schools? Mass appeal?
12:03 pm MarkElliott: Tim Hwang talking at #pcamp09 – livestreaming now: http://livestream.com/pcamp
12:04 pm thinkglobally: OH at #pcamp09 : “You Encountered: Level 10 Lawful Evil Senator”
12:08 pm sureshf: Thoughts on ways in which the gaming world actually bridges with the real world. ie paying real dollars for virtual real estate. #pcamp09
12:10 pm brimer: Watch #pcamp09 live at http://bit.ly/4lVHxZ. @timhwang currently speaking about integrating gaming with political involvement.
12:14 pm mferola: Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Roosevelt = drama + narrative required in politics to CONNECT. Where is it in Gov 2.0? #pcamp09
12:14 pm sureshf: RT @ brimer: Watch #pcamp09 at http://bit.ly/4lVHxZ . @timhwang currently speaking about integrating gaming with political involvement.
12:15 pm brimer: @mferola: Related: How can we create new technologies that *aren’t* imbued w/ armchair political views? Can open actually be open? #pcamp09
12:16 pm sdohrn: Cool idea: link geolocation data to collect carbon points for biking and get bike routes data in the process #PCamp09
12:20 pm davetroy: Now at #pcamp09 in session about using games, simulations, and prediction markets to drive political engagement.
12:21 pm liz_azyan: RT @sdohrn: Tim Hwang presenting on the cooperation project #PCamp09
12:21 pm tglaisyer: At #pcamp09 @timhwang – gaming in gov – expansion packs for democracy as people get more skills. Fascinating watch http://is.gd/1h3qZ
12:22 pm liz_azyan: RT @sdohrn: Tim: How do we get internet game players to participate in government? #PCamp09
12:22 pm liz_azyan: RT @sureshf:Tim Hwang talks about his involvement with http://webecologyproject.org/ right now via http://www.livestream.com/pcamp, #pcamp09
12:23 pm sureshf: Games build motivational framework…can motivate people to engage in politics. @timhwang, #pcamp09. http://www.livestream.com/pcamp
12:25 pm 5oclockshadow: #PCamp09 conducting a session on integrating online and face-to-face participation w/ onlinetownhalls.com and openforumfoundation
12:32 pm craignewmark: just attended session at #pcamp09 on MixedInk, very impressive!
12:32 pm sdohrn: Want to talk more about games and politics? follow @timhwang #PCamp09
12:35 pm sdohrn: “More people participating is a good thing.” #PCamp09
12:35 pm rgoodspeed: @timhwang suggests that simcity could tie to real planning-could transport models and urban sim (communityviz) converge with games? #pcamp09
12:36 pm Participation09: #pcamp09 main livestream had over 2000 unique viewers yesterday
12:38 pm mferola: is wondering why it seems like #pcamp09 is mostly white and mostly male. Intractable problems require more brain power than this.
12:42 pm tglaisyer: #pcamp09 @timhwang says “a muckraking game is pretty badass..students compete to find info. pro/ con and it yields transparency @chanders
12:45 pm sdohrn: RT @mferola: wondering why it seems like #pcamp09 is mostly white and mostly male. Intractable problems require more brain power than this
12:47 pm mferola: follow Participation Camp at NYU today at http://www.livestream.com/pcamp #pcamp09
12:49 pm sureshf: RT @ sdohrn: RT @mferola: wondering why #pcamp09 is mostly white and mostly male. Intractable problems require more brain power than this
1:11 pm 5oclockshadow: #PCamp09 NY Piza in washington SQ park… Kids splashing in the fountain, Massive #Stonewall concert, awesome
1:23 pm Idoiallano: @Odilas Is already Marc with the speakers in participation Camp for explaning Nuestra causa ? #PCamp09
1:32 pm danlatorre: Non-trivial: @markelliott’s Collab model; Negotiation lvls w/Socio, Cultural focus- he says medium vars are cultural-literacy vars #pcamp09
1:33 pm danlatorre: RT @MarkElliott: my presentation i referenced my phd a lot. It’s here http://is.gd/1gijb if interested: “Stigmergic Collaboration” #pcamp09
1:38 pm Idoiallano: @mlopezplana Hi Marc make it snappy 🙂 #PCamp09
1:47 pm mferola: excited to see Greg Elin @GregElin at #pcamp09 – Great speaker, great ideas, and persuasive. Woot!
2:01 pm shiftspace: ShiftSpace at Participation Camp, talk and #livestream start in a few mins: http://bit.ly/4AeI2 #PCamp09
2:02 pm mushon: RT @ShiftSpace: ShiftSpace at Participation Camp, (I will) talk and #livestream start in a few mins: http://bit.ly/4AeI2 #PCamp09
2:03 pm mferola: just received a Tweet that reminded me about the great number of people who are not on the “grid.” What to do? #pcamp09
2:05 pm sureshf: RT @Shiftspace: ShiftSpace at Participation Camp, talk and #livestream start in a few mins: http://bit.ly/4AeI2 (expand) #PCamp09
2:06 pm ubanks: @davestern Nice! but ask him to use @MixedInk next time. RT @craignewmark: just attended session at #pcamp09 on MixedInk, very impressive!
2:10 pm Participation09: afternoon sessions have started #pcamp09
2:14 pm sureshf: @mary_joyce about to speak at http://mudball.net/pcamp09. Watch live at http://www.livestream.com/pcamp, #pcamp09
2:14 pm Participation09: More than 40 participants still rocking #pcamp09
2:16 pm openamplify: @AmericaSpeaks talking about citizen discussion en mass (town hall) real world vs. bringing it online. #pcamp09
2:17 pm Participation09: RT @openamplify @AmericaSpeaks talking about citizen discussion en mass (town hall) real world vs. bringing it online. #pcamp09
2:18 pm sureshf: RT @ Participation09: More than 40 participants still rocking #pcamp09
2:19 pm liz_azyan: Mary talking about citizen participation at #pcamp09 How do we participate in politics?
2:21 pm liz_azyan: First one is institutional – gov reaches out to citizens #pcamp09 Showing e-petitions online from number10.gov.uk 🙂
2:22 pm Idoiallano: @openamplify At a quarter past four Marc L�pez Plana in the speakers room1, for explaning Nuestra Causa. Take into account� #PCamp09
2:22 pm liz_azyan: Institutional involves gov 2.0 (ie e-petition), control, motive, impact . Viewing video http://is.gd/1hdPa #pcamp09 check it out
2:24 pm liz_azyan: 3 months after inaugration, president obama conducted an online town hall. Cool! #pcamp09 Will Gordon follow?
2:25 pm liz_azyan: Tracking gov spending at recovery.gov . Analyze dollars being spent in the US #pcamp09
2:26 pm liz_azyan: serve.gov gives the opportunity for people to volunteer. I like this! #pcamp09
2:27 pm liz_azyan: usa.gov offers online chat on top of email and phone. Does the british gov offer this? And of course not to forget, twitter too! #pcamp09
2:27 pm surajkika: RT @liz_azyan: 3 months after inaugration, president obama conducted an online town hall. Cool! #pcamp09 Will Gordon follow?
2:28 pm Idoiallano: @Participation09 Nuestra Causa by @mlopezplana, a collaboration networked platform for citizenry problems and snags:-) #PCamp09
2:28 pm sdohrn: How many of Obama admin social media efforts are truely two-way? #PCamp09
2:30 pm ajturner: CPH->ARN->EWR->#pcamp09
2:32 pm liz_azyan: @noneck says there is a fear out there to paritcipate with gov online. How can we overcome the element of fear&control online? #pcamp09
2:34 pm liz_azyan: Next 1 is xtra-institutional&legal – citizens reach out to gov (advocacy, reform, NGO culture, democracy the other 1459 days) #pcamp09
2:34 pm davetroy: Crazy. I’ve been at a “camp” event for each weekend the last 3 weeks. #bcshanghai #bcbmore #pcamp09
2:34 pm liz_azyan: RT @TimCooperUK: Interesting tweets from @liz_azyan in NYC. Seems we have a way to go here in the UK! /We can do it! #pcamp09
2:35 pm liz_azyan: Mary asks: Am I being too tough on the advocacy culture of NGOs? #pcamp09
2:35 pm Idoiallano: @Participation09 @openamplify @AmericaSpeaks Is it possible the mass dialogue for making rules about public policies ? #PCamp09
2:35 pm liz_azyan: Sitting next to Steven Clift – his twitter is @democracy! How cool is that!!! #pcamp09
2:36 pm sdohrn: RT @liz_azyan: Mary asks: Am I being too tough on the advocacy culture of NGOs? #pcamp09
2:37 pm liz_azyan: RT @jamescousins:Dats actually quite interesting,but how doEs dat work in an SM contxt wen u are presumably just acting as a portal?#pcamp09
2:38 pm liz_azyan: Examples of citizens rebeling against gov – live sms updates frm protest march, international rallies organized thru FB #pcamp09
2:39 pm liz_azyan: Other example blogs and offline citizen journalists collect quake victim names #pcamp09
2:40 pm liz_azyan: Extra-institional & illegal – citizen rebel against gov – Is illegal action ever the best option??? Hmm…. that’s a good question! #pcamp09
2:41 pm taylorwill: @tropology meet @lklepner You guys should meet. I think you’re both at #pcamp09
2:44 pm liz_azyan: RT @jamescousins:Shud e state effectively usurp a volunteer effort?! #pcamp09 I can see your point there my friend! 🙂
2:44 pm sdohrn: Nice service: @MarkElliott brought me a coffee. Thx #PCamp09
2:46 pm rgoodspeed: social pattrerns+lots of privlidge required to 1) hear 2)attend 3)travel RT @mferola: wondering why #pcamp09 is mostly white and mostly male
2:46 pm liz_azyan: Why is there a rapture between legallacy & legitimacy? (on illegal protests against gov) #pcamp09
2:48 pm liz_azyan: Participation in a digital world – legal & illegal -Mary asks … What technologies encourage each type of participation?#pcamp09
2:49 pm openamplify: Would anyone at #pcamp09 be interested in hearing about @OpenAmplify (natural language processing & sentiment analysis) after this session?
2:50 pm liz_azyan: @democracy says email is a useful tool to enable participation with citizens. I guess because its the most accessible at the mo. #pcamp09
2:51 pm sureshf: @mary_Joyce asks: what technologies match up with different sorts of participation, activists, institutions etc. #pcamp09
2:51 pm sdohrn: Smaller (and simpler?) tools are better to encourage participation? #PCamp09
2:52 pm tglaisyer: From #pcamp09. Very interesting http://bit.ly/qOXQZ an open source web markup tool from a developer who cares about privacy
2:52 pm liz_azyan: SMS and emails r useful tools for participation.Yday @corbett3000 said the same thg to me. Its the most accessible to most ppl #pcamp09
2:52 pm liz_azyan: How much participation is too much participation? #pcamp09
2:53 pm MarkElliott: @sdohrn I aim to please! #PCamp09
2:53 pm patmcgraw: When quality falls and quantity rises RT @liz_azyan: How much participation is too much participation? #pcamp09
2:54 pm MarkElliott: @jgilliam Hey! I keep missing you in & out of sessions – wanna talk today just to say hi! #pcamp09
2:55 pm liz_azyan: @patmcgraw: When quality falls and quantity rises RT @liz_azyan: How much participation is too much participation? #pcamp09
2:56 pm liz_azyan: Too much participation to diff causes can cause ppl to give less active participation towards them #pcamp09 #infooverload
2:57 pm mferola: views #pcamp09 as a pilot project for increased citizen participation. Only “tech elite” represented today. What about the rest?
2:58 pm sdohrn: RT @liz_azyan: How much participation is too much participation? #pcamp09 <- for whom? the participant or the one soliciting input?
2:58 pm openamplify: RT @mferola views #pcamp09 as a pilot project for increased citizen participation. Only “tech elite” represented today. What about the rest?
3:00 pm brimer: Share your contact info and connect with others at #pcamp09 here: http://mobrimer.com/pcamp. Spread the word!
3:01 pm liz_azyan: What are you doing other than turning your icon green? Good question! #pcamp09 So what r u doing???
3:01 pm sdohrn: @patmcgraw you need participation for both noise and action, so the more the better? #PCamp09
3:02 pm Odilas: @Idoiallano Not yet, he is in the bathroom 😉 #PCamp09
3:02 pm weinberg81: RT @brimer: Share your contact info and connect with others at #pcamp09 here: http://mobrimer.com/pcamp. Spread the word!
3:02 pm openamplify: RT @brimer: Share your contact info and connect with others at #pcamp09 here: http://mobrimer.com/pcamp. Spread the word!
3:02 pm mlopezplana: Also @treintanyero @odilas RT @Idoiallano: @mlopezplana Hi Marc make it snappy 🙂 #PCamp09
3:03 pm sdohrn: @patmcgraw depends on the objective. If you want to obstruct, obscure more noise can be really great! #PCamp09
3:06 pm liz_azyan: Misinformation needs to be followed up by crisis response #pcamp09
3:07 pm mferola: interesting platform presented at #pcamp09 – Open source ShiftSpace.org
3:08 pm sdohrn: @liz_azyan to me the term participation is value free, any form of contributing. not sure if it helps to load the term with values #PCamp09
3:10 pm liz_azyan: Are there any resources, best practices or crisis response for gov? @noneck is developing for NY Senate one10.us #pcamp09
3:11 pm liz_azyan: github.com is for public open source and private business code #pcamp09
3:12 pm kgfreeman: RT mferola views #pcamp09 as a pilot project for increased citizen participation. Only “tech elite” represented today. What about the rest?
3:12 pm sureshf: RT @ mferola: interesting platform presented at #pcamp09 – Open source ShiftSpace.org
3:12 pm liz_azyan: Check out @democracy’s wiki http://dowire.org #pcamp09
3:15 pm liz_azyan: @sdohrn Regardless, I like the way you think! 🙂 #pcamp09
3:17 pm hnauheimer: RT @sdohrn: How much participation is too much participation? #pcamp09 and for whom? the participant or the one soliciting input?
3:20 pm Participation09: Share your contact info and connect with others at #pcamp09 here: http://mobrimer.com/pcamp. Spread the word!
3:21 pm sureshf: Gabriel Flakes talking about Teaching Participation: the news activist curriculum: http://www.livestream.com/pcamp, #pcamp09
3:21 pm liz_azyan: Now teaching participation session here at #pcamp09! Interesting 🙂
3:21 pm Participation09: Watching “Teaching Participation: The Newsactivist Curriculum” with Gabe Flacks from Montreal #pcamp09
3:22 pm Janshs: why web 2.0? try this RT @MarkElliott Here’s a summary article on the core idea of stigmergic collaboration http://is.gd/1ginZ #pcamp09
3:22 pm sureshf: 61 people watching Gabriel’s presentation at 430 EST on a Sunday. Not too bad!! http://www.livestream.com/pcamp, #pcamp09
3:23 pm mferola: is an old student government geek. Now you know. #pcamp09
3:23 pm liz_azyan: Gabe will be talking abt newsactivist – felicia, the past n future of NewsActivists #pcamp09
3:24 pm sdohrn: Gabe Flacks: Teaching Participation #PCamp09 – http://mudball.com/pcamp
3:25 pm liz_azyan: Gabe got students to create a blog for community service as a extra-curriculum. #pcamp09
3:25 pm catherine_white: just been shown the new @OWD website by @james_nathaniel at #pcamp09 – it rocks! Sign up! http://my.onewebday.org
3:27 pm liz_azyan: RT @sdohrn: Gabe Flacks: Teaching Participation #PCamp09 – http://mudball.com/pcamp
3:28 pm liz_azyan: NewsActivist is divided into 3 stages (1) Explore the news/issue (2) Focus on an issue (3) Find a partner n make it better #pcamp09
3:31 pm liz_azyan: Civic hours is lowering barriers to participation at NewsActivist #pcamp09
3:31 pm 5oclockshadow: #PCamp09 huge, engaged turnout for our f-2-f to online discussion… Fantastic group of informed professnls – thanks y’all PCamp rules!
3:31 pm liz_azyan: RT @sdohrn: Gabe built extra-curricular program/ platform called Newsactivist #PCamp09
3:32 pm sdohrn: @liz_azyan thanks for correcting the hashtag 🙂 #PCamp09
3:33 pm liz_azyan: Students comment on each others stories and all stories are tagged with say international or economy #pcamp09
3:37 pm sdohrn: Gabe: students analyze news stories to pick a problem they want to contribute solving #PCamp09 <– great way to bridge online & offline
3:38 pm liz_azyan: http://newsactivist.com Gabe’s website #pcamp09
3:40 pm sdohrn: Start a group in your university and link the groups? http://newsactivist.ning.com/ #PCamp09 (@gabenterprises)
3:41 pm sdohrn: RT @5oclockshadow: #PCamp09 huge engaged turnout 4 R f2f 2 online discussion. Fantastic group of informed professnls – thx all PCamp rules!
3:42 pm mferola: Gabriel Flacks talking about teaching civic participation as integral part of student’s lives – NewsActivist #pcamp09
3:42 pm liz_azyan: RT @sdohrn: Start a group in your university and link the groups? http://newsactivist.ning.com/ #PCamp09 (@gabenterprises)
3:55 pm liz_azyan: This livestream stuff is really cool btw 🙂 #pcamp09
3:55 pm rgoodspeed: Just left #pcamp09 – enjoyed meeting lots of interesting folks, thx all for such a good event!
3:56 pm craignewmark: redux; just attended session at #pcamp09 on @MixedInk, very impressive!
3:59 pm mferola: is wondering how technology will address the core of politics – a battle of wills and opposing agendas. 😉 Stay tuned. #pcamp09
4:07 pm mferola: check out the “wrap up” session for Participation Camp at NYU – http://www.livestream.com/pcamp #pcamp09
4:10 pm sdohrn: RT @mferola: check out the “wrap up” session for Participation Camp at NYU – http://www.livestream.com/pcamp #pcamp09
4:18 pm prefontaine: Disappointed that not able to attend Participation Camp today. Good thing it’s so well documented… so I can still learn and think #PCamp09
4:20 pm mferola: wonders how to deal with “political bullies” through technology. Conservatives tend be brutish. Liberals can be cultish. #pcamp09
4:29 pm Mary_Joyce: RT @Brimer Share your contact info and connect with others at #pcamp09 here: http://mobrimer.com/pcamp. Spread the word!
4:30 pm mferola: RT @sdohrn: Smaller (and simpler?) tools are better to encourage participation? #PCamp09
4:33 pm brimer: Share your contact info and connect with others at #pcamp09 here: http://mobrimer.com/pcamp. Spread the word!
4:35 pm sdohrn: RT @brimer: Share your contact info and connect with others at #pcamp09 here: http://mobrimer.com/pcamp. Spread the word!
4:36 pm sdohrn: @brimer thanks for setting that up #PCamp09 – http://mobrimer.com/pcamp
4:44 pm Mary_Joyce: my #pcamp09 presentation slides are @ http://zapboom.com/?p=283 & http://bit.ly/VlTz6 #pcampslides
4:55 pm MixedInk: Thanks, Craig! RT @craignewmark just attended session at #pcamp09 on @MixedInk, very impressive
5:00 pm mferola: global climate change is being offered as a great cause to pursue for a collaborative approach. #pcamp09
5:24 pm kalyanlanka: excellent learning from #pcamp09
5:50 pm Silona: So I didn’t want to be rude.. I am 99% positive seth green was at teaspot bubble tea place while @markelliott and I were chatting #pcamp09
6:03 pm sureshf: RT @mferola: global climate change is being offered as a great cause to pursue for a collaborative approach. #pcamp09,
8:43 pm 5oclockshadow: Arianna’s getting the message RT @ariannahuff “the future is a surge of in-person interaction, not just online.” -simonjenkins. #PCamp09
9:01 pm storygirl2: RT @sdohrn: Start a group in your university and link the groups? http://newsactivist.ning.com/ #PCamp09 (@gabenterprises)
9:54 pm 5oclockshadow: @Mary_Joyce RT @Brimer Share your contact info and connect with others at #pcamp09 here: http://mobrimer.com/pcamp. Spread the word!
10:56 pm mrenoch: When life becomes a finite game ( http://bit.ly/JXuP): http://bit.ly/r1mR and http://bit.ly/6t13 (I’m the mayor of my imagination!) #pcamp09